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Apr 5, 2008 11:19 PM
by: jasonbio
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PLEASE deprecate SOAP already
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Dec 12, 2007 5:58 PM PST
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The docs give no indication that S3's support for SOAP is spotty at best. Since OS X has a web services framework that makes SOAP quite easy to use, I built our app with that; then, as I ran headlong into these gaps of functionality, I rewrote those parts using REST, and it all worked, more or less. (Still can't rename objects, but.. well, you already knew that.)
I just added support for the new bucket location flag, and discovered that--unless I'm mistaken--NONE of my SOAP code is going to work on EuroBuckets. So.. yay! I get to go throw out half my code!
Can you PLEASE stop telling developers that S3 supports SOAP? I've traded a lot of time for frustration because of this, and I'm sure others have as well.
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Re: PLEASE deprecate SOAP already
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Dec 13, 2007 1:48 PM PST
in response to: Dave Hayden
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I second this request.
-Don
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Re: PLEASE deprecate SOAP already
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Dec 14, 2007 10:17 AM PST
in response to: lowflyinghawk
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That's too funny.
-Don
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Re: PLEASE deprecate SOAP already
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Dec 17, 2007 1:48 PM PST
in response to: Dave Hayden
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Okay, I'll ask an actual question instead of just whinging: Am I correct that SOAP can't be used with EuroBuckets?
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Re: PLEASE deprecate SOAP already
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Jan 3, 2008 11:10 AM PST
in response to: Dave Hayden
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Really? Nobody at Amazon actually knows the answer to this?
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Re: PLEASE deprecate SOAP already
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Jan 8, 2008 3:57 PM PST
in response to: Allen
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You can't create EU buckets in SOAP, sure.
But it appears that you can't do anything else with them, either--I'd like a confirmation of that. Or at least for Amazon to acknowledge they're not supporting SOAP from here on out.
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Re: PLEASE deprecate SOAP already
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Jan 8, 2008 9:18 PM PST
in response to: Dave Hayden
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We are continuing to support our existing SOAP APIs. That said, given that SOAP requests currently make up <1% of our request volume in the US, we made the pragmatic decision to not extend the SOAP APIs as part of our EU launch. This allowed us to make our EU location available sooner than we could have otherwise.
We continue to listen to customer feedback and will prioritize work to expand our SOAP support based on that feedback as well as customer usage patterns.
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Re: PLEASE deprecate SOAP already
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Jan 9, 2008 4:33 AM PST
in response to: Alyssa@AWS
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> We continue to listen to customer feedback and will prioritize work toexpand our SOAP support based on that feedback as well as customerusage patterns.
considering the request volume it would be perfectly reasonable to drop support altogether. at least you should make it clear in the technical docs that SOAP is a technology that is barely used by mainstream S3 apps and that you will be devoting resources to it accordingly.
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Re: PLEASE deprecate SOAP already
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Jan 9, 2008 9:04 AM PST
in response to: Alyssa@AWS
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You have a perfect example of what economists call "the network effect", first seen in the contest between VHS and BETA video tape formats..
If SOAP is <1% of your request volume, REST support is *always* going to be prioritized higher than SOAP. As more and more developers encounter problems with the SOAP APIs either personally or through forum postings, the REST request percentage will continue to grow. No matter how many API prioritization meetings you have, it will never make sense to take resources off REST and divert them to SOAP given the huge disparity between REST and SOAP usage rates. Which means that as long as you pretend to have a SOAP API, developers are going to get burned. The folks participating in this thread have already been burned. It wasn't fun but we got over it. Please don't keep burning other developers in the same way.
As Dave said in his original post, "please deprecate soap aready."
thanks,
-Don
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Re: PLEASE deprecate SOAP already
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Jan 10, 2008 4:25 PM PST
in response to: donalvarez
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says aws:
> We are continuing to support our existing SOAP APIs.
but really...why bother? are you expecting SOAP to suddenly surge? I think don's reasoning is pretty good and his annoyance justified. if you just go up and read the docs you'd never guess that SOAP is miniscule compared to REST which has undoubtedly led a number of developers to waste a lot of time for nothing. aws should just shoot it and put it out of its misery.
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Re: PLEASE deprecate SOAP already
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Jan 12, 2008 9:13 AM PST
in response to: Dave Hayden
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I, for one, use the SOAP api for everything except large file uploads, and would like to see support for the SOAP api continued.
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Re: PLEASE deprecate SOAP already
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Jan 12, 2008 10:16 AM PST
in response to: TooDiesel
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There's always someone using a specific feature or functionality - but the real question is, if the afford to maintain a feature/functionality is justified when only a marginal amount of the whole user base leverages it.
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Re: PLEASE deprecate SOAP already
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Jan 12, 2008 10:51 AM PST
in response to: S. Matzke
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exactly right...if less than 1% of your transactions are SOAP but it takes 5% of your developers' time to maintain it, then it hardly makes sense to keep it. in this case a further downside is the appearance of support followed by the late discovery that it's on life support followed by disillusionment with S3.
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